Super HD-Vinyls 24/192 (Decca) G. Mahler – Symphony No. 5 (Solti)

front-small-boxsetTo Jean-Luc
My friends, you know about all the things in life that are simply the truth and you cannot do anything but to accept it: sun rises up, every day – earth is not a plate – Sir Georg Solti and Decca made the best Wagner-cycle and Mahler-cycle on earth. Period!
New rip (2016) in 24/192

# Composer: Gustav Mahler
# Performer: Yvonne Minton
# Orchestra: Chicago Symphony Orchestra
# Conductor: Sir Georg Solti

# Vinyl (1970)
# Number of Discs: 2
# Format: Flac (Tracks)
# Label: Decca

# DR-Analysis: DR 14
Size: 3.23 GB
# Scan: Yes

# Server: FF

To make things slightly more simple than they are, the interpretations of Mahler’s symphonies (but I could extend that to the interpretation of ANY composition) fall within two broad categories: slow or fast. Now, don’t laugh, I am aware how naïve such apparently over-simplified categories may seem, but this is the synthesis of innumerable observations based on hours of comparative listening. Of course, things are more complex than that. “Fast” usually comes with associated interpretive parameters, like “biting” or “snappy”, and while “slow” always runs the risk of falling into “plodding”, “sluggish” or “ponderous”, it doesn’t when it comes with “mass” and “power”. And “slow” can also be “biting” (that’s one of my criteria for great, “slow” conductors) and “fast” can come with “mellow” and “lacking crispness and bite” (that’s one of my criteria for mediocre “fast” interpretations).

Also, an interpreter isn’t always consistent throughout. This movement can be fast and the next one slow (a good example would be Karajan’s famous 1963 Beethoven Eroica: three quarts of Toscanini and one quart of Furtwängler, in the funeral march). In music as sectional as Mahler’s, the conductor can be fast in one section of one movement and slow in the next one; he can take the fast passage slowly and the slow passage fast – and the way conductors shape the opening movement of the 5th provides good illustrations, whether they favor strong contrast or a sense of organic unity.

And, of course, these categories are “ideal-types”. Some performers are neither “fast” nor “slow”, but somewhere in a snug “in between”.

Overall, no such subtleties are called for in relation to Solti’s Mahler’s 5th – his first recording, made in the studio in March 1970 – although in the finer details, they do apply. As you can expect, he is true to his cliché: fast, biting like a Pït Bull, explosive – a powerhouse. Not that the approach, in 1970, was anything new. In fact, as far as tempi are concerned, Solti follows here a tradition established by – as surprising as it may seem, given the huge difference of temperaments between both conductors – Bruno Walter in his premiere recording from 1947 (Mahler: Symphony No. 5), and subsequently followed by Leinsdorf (1963, Symphony 5) and Neumann (1966, Mahler: Symphony No. 5), and later by Abravanel (1974, Symphony 5) and Mehta (1976, Mahler: Symphony 5). Other approaches, other traditions were established by Bernstein in 1963 (Mahler: Symphony No. 5), and even more radically by Barbirolli in 1969 (Mahler: Symphony No. 5 / New Philharmonia / Sir John Barbirolli (EMI)). Although, with compositions as sectional as Mahler’s Symphonies, the overall timings don’t tell the complete story, still they do tell the beginning of a story:

Walter————–(1) 11:46 (2) 12:40 (3) 15:15 (4) 7:42 (5) 14:08
Leinsdorf———–(1) 11:32 (2) 12:59 (3) 17:22 (4) 8:29 (5) 14:04
Solti—————–(1) 11:52 (2) 13:45 (3) 16:35 (4) 9:51 (5) 13:36

Bernstein NY——(1) 12:25 (2) 14:13 (3) 17:34 (4) 11:00 (5) 13:43
Barbirolli———–(1) 13:39 (2) 15:08 (3) 17:58 (4) 9:50 (5) 17:22

But in that approach, Solti is the best (even compared to those who came after). It has to do, first, with Decca’s stupendous sonics. Those afforded by RCA to Leinsdorf were already great, but this goes a step further, and in fact I’m not sure this was ever bettered. I can’t start describing all the orchestral details, usually blurred, that jump at your ears, from the celli and double-basses to in the intricacies of the brass writing.

But the Decca sonics serve only to highlight what Solti does with the orchestra. In the first movement’s march Solti never lets you forget the military behind the funeral – and, with Mahler, the two are intimately intertwined. Solti’s march marches on powerfully, implacably, ferociously almost: there is nothing of the burdened plight of Bernstein in Vienna in 1987 (Mahler: Symphony No. 5), Solti’s march is grim, tight-jawed, dogged. He doesn’t slow down in the “gehaltener” passages (1:02 and 2:40), the change of mood comes from phrasing and dynamics, not pace. Likewise the final section, at 9:15, with its ghostly and nostalgic strings, has wonderful atmosphere. His fast section, at 4:52 (for comparison, Walter reached it at 4:44, Leinsdorf at 4:54, Bernstein at 5:09 and Barbirolli at 5:50), is not, in itself, particularly fast (Solti takes the section in 1:46, the same as Bernstein and Barbirolli, to be compared with Leinsdorf’s 1:32), but it explodes violently and gushes forth with great vehemence from trumpet and violins.

And that’s nothing compared to the second movement. “Mit grösster Vehemenz” indicates Mahler, and Solti whips his Chicagoans to plenty of that. The first celli and double-bass attack lacks crispness (Bernstein here is even worse, but Leinsdorf’s Bostonians are incomparable), but it is amply made up by the biting brass (see my pitbull comparison) and Solti’s frienzied speed. And he keeps that bite in the first phrases of the woodwinds that open the second, slow section at 1:13, letting the strings assume the passage’s lyricism and atmosphere, with its reminiscence of the first movement funeral march. And those recurring slow passages develop indeed great atmosphere, with huge tone (“grosser ton” writes Mahler) and romantic sweep from the violins, and with Solti shaping with a great sense of drama but also of organic unfolding the imperceptible shifts of tempo between the moments of tension and repose. If Solti is more than a minute longer than Walter in that movement, it is because he is more spacious in these slow passages, and likewise in the Scherzo – that is where matters are more subtle than just uniformly “fast”.

Indeed the Scherzo is launched into with the urgency of Walter rather than the more leisurely and insouciant approach of Bernstein or, here, Leinsdorf, but, under Solti – vivid, close-up sonics helping -, it comes, unsurprisingly, with more powerful muscularity than Walter, exuding less a feeling of juvenile joy than, again, of an almost anxious exuberance. Not that it is devoid of charm: Solti’s waltzes (at 2:21, 6:26, 9:29) are unaffected and affectionate, and the conductor expertly stages, in the first and third, an acceleration into the giddiness of dance. And clearly it is an interpretation that spotlights the movement’s wild raging. Mahler marked in one of the autograph pages of the score of the 9th Symphony’s Rondo-Burleske “to my brothers in Apollo”, but this Scherzo (indeed a harbinger of the Rondo-Burleske), under Solti, is Dyonisos unleashed, developing scorching intensity in the climaxes – and making it a movement of many climaxes (circa 3:30 to 5:00, circa 9:45 to 10:30 , circa 11:45 to 14:15, the coda at 15:53).

At 9:51, Solti’s Adagietto strikes a middle ground between the “fast” approaches of Walter (7:42) and Leinsdorf (8:29), and slow one of Bernstein (11:00). It is beautiful, never exaggerated, the melody flows gently without giving the impression of being dragged on and milked, the Chicago strings play with a soft and tender tone and rise up to the passion of the more animated and passionate moments. The finale is back to Solti’s youthful exuberance verging onto cockiness. Significantly, the conductor doesn’t observe Mahler’s instruction to play the opening oboe and clarinet themes (at 0:18 and 0:29), respectively, “hesitantly” and “somewhat slower”, and he doesn’t relax his tempo on the charming little “grazioso” passage at 1:53, as if he wanted nothing to get in the way of sheer, exuberant joy and drive, even Mahler’s mock sentimentalism. Bernstein was already very fast here (13:43 to Walter’s – also brisk – 14:04), but Solti shaves off another few seconds from Bernstein, and leads it to a thrilling, hair-raising coda.

Certainly, because it plays up Mahler’s urgency and biting rage rather than (like Barbirolli and Bernstein in his 1987 remake did so well) its burdened plight, this is not a Mahler for all tastes. Within its own interpretive options it is certainly extreme, and will sound excessive to many listeners. It seems quite fitting that Solti’s recording came chronologically immediately after Barbirolli’s, because, both at an opposite pole, they were and remain among the most extreme interpretations of Mahler’s 5th – Barbirolli all deliberation and mass, Solti a powerhouse of unrelenting intensity. Somehow deliberation and mass must be easier to take than unrelenting intensity, because while Barbirolli’s recording seems universally admired, I see that a number of reviewers under the other entry for Solti’s disc, Mahler: Symphony No. 5, pan this version, although many seem to do so less on account of the intepretation as because of the “garish, overly bright sonics”. I think they are great, and I love hearing all those biting instrumental details that go lost is so many other recordings, made before or after. But those who feel that “Solti’s tendency to relentlessly pressure the music forward instead of letting it breathe naturally significantly submerges its darker and more reflective qualities”, have simply let their hearing be ovewhelmed by those moments (admittedly numerous) of biting rage. Things are more subtle than that, and what makes Solti’s version a great one is also that, precisely, while the biting rage may seem overwhelming, it does NOT come at the expense of the music’s darker and more reflective qualities – witness, in the second and third movements, his more spacious pacing of the moments of repose than Walter’s. But, sure enough: this ain’t a Mahler 5th for sissies.


  Symphony No.5 In C-Minor – Part I
A1 First Movement: Trauermarsch. In Gemessenem Schritt. Streng. Wie Ein Konduct 11:54
A2 Second Movement: Sturmisch Bewegt, Mit Groesster Vehemenz 13:50
  Symphony No.5 In C-Minor – Part II
B1 Third Movement: Scherzo. Kraeftig, Nicht Zu Schnell 16:40
  Symphony No.5 In C-Minor – Part III
C1 Fourth Movement: Adagietto. Sehr Langsam 9:55
C2 Fifth Movement: Rondo-Finale. Allegro 13:26
  Songs From ‘Des Knaben Wunderhorn’
D1 Das Irdische Leben 2:36
D2 Verlorene Mueh 2:56
D3 Wo Die Schoenen Trompeten Blasen 6:57
D4 Rheinlegendchen 3:20


Analyzed folder: /192k Mahler – Symphony 5 – Solti
DR        Peak        RMS        Filename
DR14        -0.91 dB     -20.01 dB     A1 Symphony No.5 In C-Minor – 1st Mov, Trauermarsch. In Gemessenem Schritt. Streng. Wie Ein Konduct.aif
DR14        -0.17 dB     -18.71 dB     A2 Symphony No.5 In C-Minor – 2nd Mov, Sturmisch Bewegt, Mit Groesster Vehemenz.aif
DR15        -0.51 dB     -21.55 dB     B Symphony No.5 In C-Minor – 3rd Mov, Scherzo. Kraeftig, Nicht Zu Schnell.aif
DR13        -5.15 dB     -24.89 dB     C1 Symphony No.5 In C-Minor – 4th Mov, Adagietto. Sehr Langsam.aif
DR13        -0.85 dB     -18.50 dB     C2 Symphony No.5 In C-Minor – 5th Mov, Rondo-Finale. Allegro.aif
DR13        -0.75 dB     -20.16 dB     D1 ‘Des Knaben Wunderhorn’ – Das Irdische Leben.aif
DR13        -2.00 dB     -21.17 dB     D2 ‘Des Knaben Wunderhorn’ – Verlorene Mueh.aif
DR13        -5.94 dB     -24.96 dB     D3 ‘Des Knaben Wunderhorn’ – Wo Die Schoenen Trompeten Blasen.aif
DR16        -2.26 dB     -23.55 dB     D4 ‘Des Knaben Wunderhorn’ – Rheinlegendchen.aif
Number of files:    9
Official DR value:    DR14


  • Composed By – Gustav Mahler
  • Conductor – Georg Solti
  • Horn [Solo] – Dale Clevenger
  • Mezzo-soprano Vocals – Yvonne Minton (tracks: D1-D4)
  • Orchestra – Chicago Symphony Orchestra*
  • Trumpet [Solo] – Adolph Herseth

Ripping Info


If You hear some clicks and pops here and there, Who cares?
Id rather have a few light anomalies instead of destroying the music.
Enjoy the music, not the ticks & pops.
My rips are almost rough rips.

  • Software: iZotope RX 4 Advanced, Adobe Audition CS 5.5, Twisted Wave 1.9
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  • DR-Analisys before converting to Flac
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35 thoughts on “Super HD-Vinyls 24/192 (Decca) G. Mahler – Symphony No. 5 (Solti)

  1. Part 11 on Hotfile appears to be corrupt. I have redownloaded it several times but to no avail.

    ! E:\96k_mhlr_sy5_slt\96k_mhlr_sy5_slt.part11.rar: The file “96k_mhlr_sy5_slt\Symphony No5 – Sir Georg Solti and CSO\Symphony No5 In C” header is corrupt
    ! E:\96k_mhlr_sy5_slt\96k_mhlr_sy5_slt.part11.rar: The file “96k_mhlr_sy5_slt\Symphony No5 – Sir Georg Solti and CSO\Symphony No5 In C” header is corrupt
    ! E:\96k_mhlr_sy5_slt\96k_mhlr_sy5_slt.part11.rar: CRC failed in 96k_mhlr_sy5_slt\Symphony No5 – Sir Georg Solti and CSO\Symphony No5 In C Sharp Minor – 3 Scherzo.flac. The file is corrupt

    Could you replace this part please?

    • ahhhh…my noble friend WAM-Fedorych 😉
      In 2 days look for a delicious opera by Gounod (a very nice one and rare on records), that i post – first of all for you and our friend CD – for all the friends, that follow us from all over the world

  2. I think there is a problem with the files. I have tried the Knaben Wunderhorn (file 1) and it is always: “error”. I would like to listen to “Wo die schönen Trompeten blasen” by Yvonne Minton very much. Maybe one day you re-upload these files!! Thank you very much, my Dear, for all your beautiful music.

    • I tried several times the first file…it is OK. Try to download in once, without interruptions, that sometimes causes errors while unraring

      • Well, the problem is when I try to convert these files in MP3. There is always something wrong but it’s all right and I thank you very much for your attention. (Other files like Mahler/Bernstein or Chopin/Ewa Podles are perfect). Have a nice day

        • Maybe the problem can be, that these are HD-music files (96 kHz and 24 bit)…. The other music you mentioned are not my rips, they are normal music files (44.1 kHz and 16 bit).
          Maybe you can do this: if you have a music editor, open the file and save as mp3……

          • Dear Rachmaninov,
            You are right. I have “Real player” & “mp3 Wma converter” only. Which program should I download to enjoy your “96kHz files? Thank you for your attention & excuse me again for bothering you,

            • Hi…i’m a mac user, but i think you can use on windows the Foobar (?)
              Mr. Whatever, am i right?
              On my mac i can play HD files with quicktime, real player, vlc….
              Also i don’t know, if there is a program for windows, that’s able to burn HD files….on mac i do it with TOAST TITANIUM

  3. Thank you for this, I always loved these old Decca recordings- the sound engineering was so dynamic. There are plenty of Mahler 5’s to choose from, but this looks great. -and thanks for the double post (today on AH- They are petty dictators there- butI still go there) Cheers!

  4. Hello Rach,
    I didn’t realize how distinctly different/better one recording could be in HD. This Solti 5th Mahler is superb.
    The space and clarity of the instruments is breath-taking.
    Thanks for all the Kubelik and Solti Mahlers!
    Do you have all ten Mahlers by Solti in HD?


    • Hi my friend Bob, unfortunately no….only no. 5 – once i looked several months after the other, but it’s near impossible to get them in good condition and at a human price; they are too expensive or too bad (if affordable). But I don’t give up. At least it’s not important to me, to get them all from Solti or Kubelik or someone other….important is to get the best performing/sounding possible.

      What you wrote about the reciping of the sound is what i preach since the coming out of the CD – I mean CD vs. vinyl…It’s there, affordable for everyone, audible for everyone, you can ear it, you can catch the difference, holding it in your hand…

      I will never understand, why there are CDs in our life, in this world.. 😉

  5. Thanks Rachmaninov for another marvellous gem!! I know what you mean by CD’s being a step backwards as far as technology goes. Luckily we have you with all the great work you’re doing giving us these treasures to enjoy. All the best to you.

  6. Mahler is certainly my favourite composer and this release is really impressive and also not found elsewhere. Honestly, this is the first time I listen to HD vinyls, and I was pleasantly surprised to hear such details in a “vintage” record.
    I discovered this vinyls thanks to you, great job, big big big thank you !!!!

  7. looks like part4.rar on FileFactory is unable to download: “Unfortunately the file you have requested cannot be downloaded at this time. Please contact us and let us know about this issue.”

  8. Many thanks!

    I’m not the worlds biggest Solti fan (I don’t rate his Ring cycle as highly as almost everyone else does) but I think his Mahler is a very valid view of the composer and is certainly worth hearing. It is tense without overdoing the neurotic interpretation that many conductors like to associate with the music. My criticism is that Solti tends to miss the point of the easygoing sections in some the symphonies.

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